De quoi on se mail N°14 – Egalité homme-femme

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Il y a quelques jours, il était question de la journée de la femme, ça a été l’occasion d’évoquer cette fameuse inégalité entre les sexes.

En effet qu’est-ce qui justifie qu’une femme qui a les mêmes compétences qu’un homme gagne moins et soit gratifiée d’une qualification moindre ? Rien évidemment, personne ne peut trouver ça normal.
Hier, en voyant un serveur de notre cafétéria monter trois étages pour apporter un café à une jolie fille un peu souffrante, je me disais : « Et si c’était un garçon qui avait été souffrant, aurait-il eu droit au même service ? »

J’évoquais les compétences égales pour des salaires inégaux plus haut. Mais à diplôme égal, qui aura le plus de chance de trouver un job ?

Le décolleté (même s’il n’est pas volontairement provocateur) ou le costume cravate ? N’est-ce pas aussi une inégalité ça ?

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167 Réponses à “De quoi on se mail N°14 – Egalité homme-femme”

  1. molodoi
    27 mars 2009 à 15:29 #

    De manière générale, la vie n’est pas « égalitaire » (i.e., on ne naît pas tous égaux). Du moins, en terme de capacité.

    Maintenant, en terme d’égalité des chances (au sens large), il est évident qu’on vit dans un monde totalement inégalitaire. Et les disparités entre un homme et une femme n’est qu’une manifestation de cette inégalité.

    Le monde change, les mentalités évoluent. Pas très vite, j’en conviens. Pas fortement non plus, j’en conviens aussi.

    C’est un combat de tous les jours, que de faire évoluer les choses. Et on se doit d’éduquer les gens (en particulier, les jeunes) pq ils tendent vers une plus grande égalité des chances.

    La discrimination (sur base du sexe de la personne, ou tout autre) est un non sens absolu, la réminiscence d’une pensée totalement moyenâgeuse (si pas plus). Rien ne justifie cela (même pas la connerie la plus basse)

    J’aime à penser que, de mon vivant, on arrivera à cette égalité. En tout cas, je fais tout pour…

  2. Louloute
    27 mars 2009 à 15:40 #

    Voici ce que l’on peut lire ces derniers jours sur différents sites :

    Les femmes gagnent en moyenne 24% de moins que les hommes, soit 1/4 de différence. Si on prend une journée « classique » de travail de 8h (de 9h à 17h), on peut considérer que les femmes travaillent gratuitement après 15h.

    Est-ce normal ? Je ne pense pas mais je pense aussi que l’égalité homme/femme ne sera jamais une réalité.

  3. PollyJean
    27 mars 2009 à 17:25 #

    Hello Eric (et les autres),
    Un petit détour par ici en suivant le message de ton facebook pour mordre à l’hameçon de l’éternelle discussion sur les clichés H/F :-)

    Tu ne penses quand même pas que les femmes ont plus de chances de trouver un job que les hommes ? Parce qu’elles portent un décolleté ?

    Déjà ça implique qu’il y a un jugement sur le physique des femmes et moins sur celui des hommes (et donc que les non-conformes à l’image de la belle femme en décolleté sont désavantagées). En outre ça dit aussi qu’il y a plus d’hommes (hétéros) à des postes de pouvoir pour choisir des collègues féminines en décolleté. Si les femmes étaient présentes en nombre plus ou moins égal à ces postes, les mecs auraient peut-être aussi plus l’impression de passer un concours de beauté au lieu d’un entretien d’embauche… Et donc inégalité numéro 2 : pas assez de femmes qui prennent les décisions.

    Qui plus est, une femme se voit presque toujours poser la question de la conciliation entre famille et travail, et c’est un désavantage qui leur vaut parfois d’être écartées au profit d’un homme, dont on suppose qu’il déléguera les tâches familiales à sa femme, etc etc (cercle vicieux).

    C’était la minute féministe avant le week-end, que je souhaite excellent à tou-te-s !

  4. Articia
    27 mars 2009 à 18:38 #

    En fait d’inégalité, il s’agirait plutôt de non respect de l’autre…
    Dans une société idéal chacun aurait les mêmes droits pour les mêmes devoirs. Dans une société idéal, les femmes seraient libre de porter un décolleté sans que cela passe pour de la provocation, chacun pourrait vivre dans le « costume » qui lui convient sans que le regard de l’autre ne le juge… coincé, à l’aise, frimeur…Nous avons tous nos raisons de paraitre, et personne ne peut juger sans essayer de comprendre…Dans une société idéal nous serions tous à notre place, épanouis et aimant notre travail sans avoir besoin de nous battre contre des préjugés, des incertitudes, quelques soit notre sexe, religion ou nationalité…

    Je trouve les réactions sur ce poste vraiment très chouette!!
    Merci et bon week-end à tous!

  5. VE/RÖ
    28 mars 2009 à 10:16 #

    Y a pas à se casser la tête les gars (et gattes) …
    On vit dans un monde phallocrate depuis qu’on a une trace que l’homme existe…

    Vouloir que ça change, c’est bien beau, tres idéaliste et à mon avis inaccessible, pas que je sois blasée ni que je me désinteresse de la cause, non… Mais vous croyez que depuis que l’homme a pris le pouvoir sur la femme (c’est à dire depuis toujours) il va faire que les choses bougent, changent pour que la femme soit son égal?

    Partager ses privileges, son pouvoir, sa domination, sa liberté, son salaire, etc… Vous rêvez là… Même dans les societés les plus évoluées, les classes sociales les plus huppées, rien n’est fait dans ce sens… alors à un échelon moindre… vous voyez ce que ça peut donner. On ne donne pas aux femmes le moyen d’être l’égal de l’homme parceque cela n’arrange pas les hommes. C’est aussi carré que ça.

    Alors ma technique pour pas devenir féministe? Je profite du systeme, eh ouais, les gars… :)

    Je vous rassure, je n’irais jamais me présenter à une embauche avec un décolleté qui donne des envies de se lancer dans l’escalade…
    Mais j’avoue que pour arriver à certaines de mes fins, je me sers mes ‘atouts’ (corrects hein, je vois la moue de votre bouche, là! sisi, hahaha)
    On a déjà testé avec des potes

    1/ le marchandage à la promo, au délais, au prix de livraison… (surtout dans des magasins de bricolages et de jardinage, p.e.) ça marche suuuuper bien quand c’est une nana.

    2/ Quand il s’agit de porter des trucs lourds jusqu’à la voiture et qu’on est seule… un petit regard genre ‘oulàlà, je vais peter mes lomberes…) et hop… y a toujours un gars charmant, sympatique et dévoué pour me donner un coup de main, je remercie biensûr, je fais papilloner mes yeux… je profite du systeme mais je suis polie :)

    3/ le coup de la voiture en panne… ça démarre pas, j’ai pas envie d’avoir les mains pleine de cambouis… IDEM
    Je prends mon air le plus désespréré et le plus stupide possible (ça c’est pas difficile!) et je regarde ce qu’il y a dans le capot d’un air perdu… Il y aura toujours un mec sympa (et un peu phallo quand meme…) car dans le fond il se dit…’encore une nana qui n’en touche pas une, je vais lui filer un coup de main :) Et hop!
    Bon, c’est pas toujours le cas, hein…mais from time to time… it works comme dirait l’aut’ :)

    Ce sujet de ‘de quoi on se mail’ me fait penser à un autre…

    La galanterie, est-ce une forme de sexisme ou de la (bonne) éducation?

    Sur ce, je me grouille de monter le petit déj’ à ma moitié, vérifier si son linge est pret et repassé, que la salle de bain soit préchauffée quand il se levera… MDR

    OÏ OÏ OÏ

  6. Articia
    28 mars 2009 à 12:22 #

    Chercher dans le regard de l’autre de quoi se rassurer sans négliger le côté pratique pour tous les cas énumérés par VE/RÖ, n’ayons pas peur des mots, c’est de la manipulation!! :o )) C’est humain, mais est-ce que nous ne fonctionnons pas trop selon ces stupides stéréotypes? Décevant car superficiel …
    Ne devrait-on pas « Ramener l’aventure au-dessus d’la ceinture?  »
    Les droits, ce sont les personnes lésées qui doivent les prendre … Je citerai Isabelle Alonso: « Tant qu’une seule femme sur la planète subira les effets du sexisme, la lutte des femmes sera légitime, et le féminisme nécessaire. » Je pense que… être féministe, c’est surtout être à la recherche d’équilibre entre nos différences… Les choses changent pourtant, lentement mais surement: http://www.juridiconline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12423&Itemid=10
    Il y a une prise de conscience…Il faudrait plus de mises en pratique, dans nos actions de tous les jours…
    Une pensée idéaliste partagée est une action positive!
    Beau samedi à tous!

  7. Michèle
    29 mars 2009 à 11:03 #

    ça me fait penser… quelqu’un a vu le film ‘La journée de la jupe’ avec Isabelle Adjani? Sinon, courrez vite le voir!!!

  8. Fa
    29 mars 2009 à 19:02 #

    Je suis assez d’accord avec tout ce qui déjà été commenté jusqu’ici!L’égalité dans le boulot on n’y arrivera jamais, les femmes feront toujours passer plus facilement la grippe du petit avant la réunion au boulot, pour le coup du décolleté, je ne suis pas totalement sûre qu’on embauche pour des boulots vraiment déterminants sous cet argument là et puis le coup de la femme en détresse devant son capot …ça marche peut être dans certaines situations mais chez le garagiste (ou le plombier d’ailleurs) on fait plutôt office de gros pigeon !
    Mais quand même un truc qui devrait vraiment exister c’est à boulot égal, salaire égal, c’est un minimum non ?

  9. VE/RÖ
    29 mars 2009 à 22:23 #

    J’aime bien d’fout’ le brin et attendre les réactions!
    J’étais d’humeur particulierement taquine quand j’ai écrit ce post!

  10. sof
    30 mars 2009 à 8:30 #

    … »Sur ce, je me grouille de monter le petit déj’ à ma moitié, vérifier si son linge est pret et repassé, que la salle de bain soit préchauffée quand il se levera… » dixit VE/RÖ …
    Pour ma part je vérifie si mon petit déj’ est servi , s’il a correctement trié son linge , s’il a rangé la salle de bain … mais le plus important qu’il respecte mon mutisme du matin surtout si j’ai juste dormi 3 h ! ;-) )…

  11. Mlle ciguë
    30 mars 2009 à 9:47 #

    Tu peux toujours tenter le décolleté si tu veux…

  12. 30 mars 2009 à 12:24 #

    @VE/RÖ: « …je vais peter mes lomberes… » ou sketter la ficelle de ton string, tu veux dire ;-)

    Pas égaux. Tu l’as dit!
    Pourquoi les femmes peuvent-elles payer moins cher leur assurance voiture?
    Pourquoi dit-on « les femmes et les enfants d’abord »?

    Bref, certains domaines restent privilégiés aux hommes mais d’autres le sont pour les femmes.

    Alors, poupoune hein!
    J’aurai jamais les bons atouts pour me faire embaucher par Jean-Luc De… (le coq). Par contre, par Elio, no problemo ;-)

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  13. VE/RÖ
    30 mars 2009 à 12:30 #

    Giraf… les instruments à vent et à une seule corde… c’est pas trop mon truc! ;-)

    Damart rules! hahaha :)

  14. 30 mars 2009 à 12:53 #

    Tu manques pas d’air!

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  15. marie
    5 avril 2009 à 20:04 #

    A Véro/ Pas depuis que l’homme a foulé la terre mais depuis qu’il a compris un détail…Il fut un temps …certes très lointain où nous étions aux commandes.Jusqu’à ce que ces messieurs comprennent qu’ils y étaient pour quelque chose dans nos grossesses…Jusqu’à ce qu’ils comprennent que leurs petites graines étaient aussi indispensables que notre petit oeuf…alors là, tout a basculé! On est passé d’une société matriarcale à ce qu’on connaît aujourd’hui…Les choses bougent lentement…mais sûrement.y’a plus qu’à prendre son mâle en patience…

  16. Phil
    5 avril 2009 à 23:54 #

    lol !

    En lisant ces comm’, c’est certain qu’avec ce genre d’idées préconçues que les choses vont avancer…

    …La pôv petite bonne femme face au mâle…
    …Le pôv petit black face au blanc…
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  17. marie
    6 avril 2009 à 13:49 #

    T’as raison Phil! Alors, allons-y!Je suis une femme heureuse et fière de l’être, ce qui ne m’a jamais empêché de faire ce que j’avais envie que cela corresponde ou non à ma condition féminine. J’aime bien comprendre ce qui m’arrive et choisir ce que je veux vivre ou pas. Je suis une femme persuadée qu’être un homme ou une femme ce n’est pas la même chose, qu’on est très différent et tant mieux! Il nous reste à inventer une nouvelle forme de relation pour que chacun chacune se sente respecté dans son genre…S’il faut jouer les mecs pour être respecté cela ne me convient pas non plus.L’endroit où c’est pour moi le plus important c’est avec mon homme…cela ne m’empêche pas d’être aux côtés de ceux et celles qui essaient de faire évoluer les choses au niveau collectif parce que que tu le veuilles ou non, il faut continuer à en parler, à dialoguer, à éduquer, à revendiquer pour que toutes les femmes puissent se sentir des êtres humains à part entière, pour que le black se sente un être humain où qu’ils soit sur la terre, pour que les 4X4 rentrent d’urgence au musée et que les sdf retrouvent non seulement un abri mais un projet de vie et de la dignité. C’est un autre résumé…
    Et toi,Phil, t’es qui?

  18. Omar
    4 mai 2012 à 15:00 #

    La vraie inégalité, c’est le port de la cravate ! Quoi de plus ridicule en effet que ce bout de tissu qui sert juste à tenir les hommes en laisse ? Et si la femme a priorité, c’est parce qu’elle porte l’enfant. Ce n’est pas une raison pour l’empêcher d’allaiter au boulot. D’où l’intérêt de vérifier la taille du décolleté … IOI

    Beaux échanges et bel équilibre des arguments entre hommes et femmes. On est assez d’accord dans l’ensemble. Alors, où faut-il chercher l’erreur ! On aurait essayé de nous diviser et de nous opposer pour mieux nous soumettre … ?

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